Today we look at one of the touchiest subjects I know of in the lyme community: our doctors and their success rates. So many people struggle for such a long time to even find a doctor who will listen to them, take their illness seriously and treat it with compassion and diligence.
As a result of this, we are often fiercely loyal to the people who helps us. I think this is not only very understandable, it is also appropriate and healthy. Lyme literate professionals deserve our support!
So this loyalty is appropriate. Up to a point.
Where it can cross the line into not being healthy is when loyalty to a practitioner or a protocol, general approach or specific product feeds into judging or attacking other people's (sometimes equally loyally held) practitioner, approach, protocol or product. When we go there, we are ill serving the community as a whole, and not incidentally, creating unneeded stress for ourselves.
So it is within that context that I invite you to look at today's blog information. With an open mind and heart, consider that there may be many paths to healing.
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As a reminder, here's the chart form the last blog about how different types of practitioners tend to approach healing lyme.
As we can see, there are variations in how groups of practitioners approach healing lyme. Today's question is, are there also differences in how successful they are?
Here's the chart that is probably going to get me in trouble. I have, in fact, been nervous for several days about publishing this one, and hope people will talk to me about it if they find this distressing.
I hear an awful lot on our lyme support groups about how critical it is to find a lyme literate medical practitioner, and indeed many of us--myself included-- are very grateful for the support that our lyme literate professionals provide. However, this chart flies in the face of a few pieces of strongly held beliefs: one on the part of the mainstream of the lyme community and one of mine.
So here's the scoop: there appears to me to be no statistically significant difference between having a lyme literate doctor or not, nor between the different types of practitioners. If there is any difference in the self-reporting, albeit slight, it is this: patients who on average report the best outcomes are the ones who don't have a lyme literate doctor. (I can hear the screaming already.)
The other piece of dogma being upset by this is mine. I'm such a natural healing girl, and I really wanted to see the DO's and ND's doing spectacularly better than any other group. And they aren't.
When you add up the numbers for folks in the final three categories, here's the totals:
No Lyme Literate Practitioner: 33.8%
Lyme Literate MD's: 29.2%
Lyme Literate ND's and DO's: 30.2%
Lyme Literate NP's: 28.6%
There may be a large enough margin of error to this study that the 5 point spread we see here mean nothing beyond the apparent fact that you can indeed get well without a lyme iterate doctor. I also think this means (when combined with the first chart) that a wide range of approaches can get you well (and, for that matter, can fail to get you well.)
Part of the reason I've been nervous about publishing this is that I have on occasion said on our lists... as cautiously and respectfully as I can... that I think people can get well without a doctor. Until I ran the numbers, this was more a sense that I ad than it was based on any statistics.
And the response I often get back to that is fear. We have been taught very well to think that healing knowledge is the sole territory of professionals (with often a very narrow of "professional" at that, with lots of other people, such as herbalists and homeopaths, labeled "quacks"). Certainly we (the laypeople) can't possibly know, or learn, how to heal ourselves.
In the dominant cultural paradigm, it is, in fact, foolish at best and downright dangerous to think otherwise.
I think this is indoctrination, that it has a very strong hold on a lot of us and is reinforced by living in a litigious society. (I myself have been nursing a fear that just publishing this blog will make be vulnerable to being sued.) And yet, I'm not going to not publish these numbers out of fear: doing that feels to me like caving in to that indoctrination.
Part of what makes me think this indoctrination is in play is that 15.4% of people without a lyme literate doctor are not treating. It makes sense: if you are constantly hearing the message that you need a lyme literate practitioner, it is very easy to internalize that to mean, "well, then I might as well not even try."
And that is dangerous. (It is also unintentionally classist: it puts at greatest risk those people who can least afford access to specialty care, and/or whose cultural background makes them the least likely to be confident that they can educate themselves and take things into their own hands.)
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In publishing this information, I'm concerned about the impact this might have on people who are very invested in their doctors. I am absolutely not interested in undermining anyone's confidence in their practitioners. And I am absolutely interested in offering real hope to people who can't find, afford or stomach a doctor.
Now here's today's grains of salt about the numbers for people without a lyme literate practitioner. Someone without lyme literate support (either their doctor or a support group of knowledgeable friends) may think they are cured, when actually they are in remission, or have chased the bugs into cyst form, and are still very sick.
However, I don't think it is fair to consider all of these responses to be ignorance-based, given how well educated many of my fellow patients seem to be. And the truth is, even doctors can make those same mistakes in evaluating someone's condition.
I think it is also good to note that a lot of folks reporting that they've gotten worse may very well be experiencing lots of herxing that makes them feel crappier, but is a sign that bugs are dying off. So I don't want to make too much of the fact that the gotten worse count is lower for the folks without a lyme literate doctor: it may just mean they aren't treating aggressively enough. On the other hand, it also may mean that they are using gentler methods that don't promote huge herxes... and which may or may not be actually healing them.
Still, I don't think everything in the category of no lyme literate support can be explained away, and I was very, very surprised at these numbers. As always, I want a bigger sample size and I want to break this question down further: how many are truly flying solo and how many have a primary care physician who is working with them but is not lyme literate?
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More than any other blog I've written, I want to encourage people to use this information gently with each other, and to have it be a source for hope and not despair or regret for any decision you have may made in the best interest of your own health.
Lyme Voices was created for the primary purpose of sharing the results of a survey of chronic lyme patients that I did during the summer of 2012. For each question (or related set of questions) from the survey, I'll share the raw data, my speculations about what it might mean for us, my own answers (for transparency's sake) and an invitation for you to join in the conversation. My intention is to serve the lyme patient community through this offering.
Sunday, August 5, 2012
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Hey all! I have set this blog so that anyone can post, and posts are unmoderated. In order to keep it that way, I request that people be kind in your disagreements, open to other viewpoints and come from a spirit of genuinely wanting to help each other on our shared journey. Thanks! Ma'ikwe
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wow, you have done a lot of work with this. Good Job!
ReplyDeleteI'm confused about these data in the LLMD blog. Are the % associated with types of docs based on total replies in the survey? Do the % have anything to do with whether or not the respondent is "cured"? Time since "cure"? What about % for each doc type and how fast the person got a medical trtmt for Lyme?
ReplyDeleteAnd as a general comment, statistical difference is kind of like legal terms, it has a specific meaning in science. You couldn't get any statistical significance from the survey but since that isn't the point of the survey that doesn't matter. But to guard against people using this as reason to trash the survey and results, you might wish to avoid using that term.
I hope you do answer my questions in the first paragraph as I will return to see the answers because they will help me understand what the % mean. (as if you aren't already doing enough work -- thanks for doing some more) I had to post as anonymous but I'm really Chispa.
Oh. Somehow this blog didn't load properly so I wasn't seeing all the info you posted. After publishing my comment the page reloaded and there was more text and the graph had the title about "success rates". IDK why this was so strange at first. nuke my first comment please.
DeleteHey Chispa! OK, glad it was more clear after the reload.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate you clarifying the terminology for me. I'm new to all this, and that kind of pointer is how I'm learning to be more professional. What do you think would be a good way for me to say, "I'm not sure this is a big enough difference to take seriously" in shorthand? Would "statistically meaningful" be a good way to say that?
Cheers! Ma'ikwe
Also, Chispa... I just ordered a book on statistics and surveys. Seems like it is time for me to get more serious about educating myself. I really appreciate people's honest feedback and reflections!
ReplyDeleteYou have done an excellent job here and I am sincerely appreciative of your efforts. I am also a bit relieved. I was treated by an LLMD for 5 months on abx. Then, for 3 months I worked with an ND using immune boosting therapies (notice the difference in terminology- 'treated by' and 'worked with'). I was tired of being sick and not seeing enough progress to live my life again. So, I bought and read a number of herbal books, headed out to the backyard and started healing myself. In the end, I will say that my getting well was most likely a combination of the abx, immune therapy, and herbal remedies. But, I do know that the progress I have experienced since treating without an LLMD has been significant. Sometimes, I think that I should find a 'new LLMD', but then remind myself that I am doing fine on my own. In fact, I think some LLMD's get so caught up in the therapies that they are familiar with that they refrain from trying what's new, when we as patients keep up to date on everything that hits the market (sadly, of course).
ReplyDeleteThanks again for your work!
Tonya
Hey Tonya! I'm very happy to hear this. I was really hoping that for each person who freaked, someone else would feel validated :)
DeleteI'd say that what is the best healing path is whatever works. And it sounds like you are being really smart about it... if your progress slows flying solo, sounds like you aren't against having a lyme literate professional get involved again.
And I agree that unless someone is only specializing in lyme AND has a very open mind, that probably patients are hearing about, and--perhaps more importantly--being curious about a lot more stuff.
That was part of my motivation for creating this blog. My sense is that the professionals are getting a lot of air time in the great lyme debates, but it seemed to me that we needed some forum for patient voices to also be heard. Certainly our wisdom isn't the only wisdom that counts, but there's a heck of a lot of it. (And I doubt the doctors are talking about the solo folks... most of them probably don't even know that there are folks treating successfully on their own.)
But now we do!
Cheers, Ma'ikwe
I'm very confused if non LL doctor means no doctor at all or just a doctor who isn't LL? This category should have been broken up more. Plus, what is the definition of LL anyhow? I think that's up for discussion.
ReplyDeleteI agree with both of these. I DO need to break it up more next time because I think it includes both. LL doesn't have a codified definition at this point (we are so much in the early stages, aren't we?) I think that would be a great discussion.
DeleteThere's at least four categories of medical practitioners as far as I can tell: hostile, clueless, open to treating but not very skilled yet, and truly lyme literate. Hmmm... maybe someone needs to start a database of doctors with that rating system (or something like it...) I think lyme literate can also mean a lot of things... someone skilled with pharmaceuticals may be really different than someone skilled with herbs, and then the really rare folks would be skilled with a wide range of approaches. Fascinating stuff.
What do you think Lyme Literate ought to mean?
I think Lyme Literate should be saved for those docs who use treatment guidelines validated by ILADS - which includes both SWM (standard western med) and alternative. I know of some who claim to be LLMDs who only treat Lyme and don't even consider the co-infections.
ReplyDeleteI like your rating system and acknowledgement that LL doesn't necessarily mean one treatment protocol. An LL doctor could be a Naturopath, Integrative Med MD or SWM MD. But not all Naturopaths are LL so you are moving into a complex system here.
But Lyme isn't simple, so how can we learn from data that over-simplifies?
Re "statistical significance" - I guess I'd say "this difference might not be large enough to be meaningful". Something sneaky about statistics is that the sample size and how it was created influences the statistics of the data.
So if 10 people replied to a question and you have four answers with 2-2-3-3 the whole question might not be statistically significant. But if you have 100 responses with 20-20-30-30 you could have a statistically significant (SS) sample but perhaps no SS results.
good luck with the statistics book. It was the bane of my graduate academics. I always hired a statistician to help design my studies and work on analysis as a professional. (Chispa)
Thanks for the well wishes on stats... so far so good, but I'm not into the chapters I'm dreading yet :) I have a survey research consultant lined up to help out if I can get the funding to keep this project going and do more survey work. I think she is going to be a huge asset to the project... help keep me out of trouble.
DeleteAnd thanks as well for the wording suggestion. I'll have to reference back to this comment when I get stuck!
I feel like I need to understand the ILADS guidelines better. I've just been back looking at Burrascano's guidelines, and I find myself put off by the "all antibiotics all the time" thing (though I feel like his work is really solid if you are going that route, so for what it is... great!) That is one of my next things on the list--getting more familiar with ILADS' work.
As someone just starting treatment after decades of illness un-named...I find this one scary. 50% with or without is daunting!
ReplyDeleteHey Pam... well, just keep in mind that the folks responding to this version of the survey probably don't include a lot of folks who have gotten well and are just not focusing on lyme anymore. We'll have to make a strong effort to also get people who have been cured into the mix next time.
DeleteAnd... it does look to be that not everyone WILL get well. I don't like it either.
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